cardiac subcommittee either looking at transfusion management in general or
specifically related to checking Hgb or Hct?
(iv) Allison Janda (MPOG Cardiac Subcommittee Chair): It was brought up a few meetings
ago. The cardiac subcommittee will be interested in discussing further, but we haven’t
attempted to refine measures for it formally yet.
(v) Nirav Shah (MPOG Quality Director): It is worth bringing up again given that there are so
many research articles looking at transfusion in cardiac cases.
(vi) Tariq Esmail (University Health Network) via chat: Apologies if this was mentioned as I
joined late, but would it be useful to consider a specific threshold for vasopressor use
rather than any vasopressor use as an exclusion. Many patients may be on low dose
vasopressors and be considered stable and would be excluded if we decide to exclude
patients on any vasopressor.
(vii) Josh Goldblatt (Henry Ford Health System) via chat: Do we know how many of the
flagged cases across ASPIRE are due to initial vs subsequent units transfused?
(viii) Kunal Karamchandani (UT Southwestern) via chat: Rechecking often delays transfusion
and may compromise patient outcomes.
a. Kunal Karamchandani (UT Southwestern): One of our junior faculty was using
this measure for a QI project and one of our concerns, as Dr. Jacek mentioned,
Hgb is not the only trigger. If I have an actively bleeding patient, I am not going
to keep checking Hgb. I am going to keep transfusing. If transfusion time
between the first and second units is less than 5 or 10 minutes, it indicates
active bleeding. Rechecking a Hgb depends on which institution you’re in, and it
may take time and then you're compromising patient safety if that’s something
that you are aggressively looking for. If we want to continue checking for Hgb or
Hct between subsequent units, let’s create a time frame. If the next unit was
given after 30 minutes, then it is relevant that a Hgb or Hct is checked. If the
next unit is administered between 5 or 10 minutes, then that should be an
exclusion.
b. Nirav Shah (MPOG Quality Director): When the measure was being built, the
discussion around cases to exclude from this measure were cases like massive
bleeding and massive transfusion, where patients are given 4 units or more with
a documented significant blood loss. What this measure is trying to avoid are
the times where 2 units may be administered, then when a Hgb or Hct level is
checked, it’s higher than expected. When Dr. Liu talks about TRAN-02, the rates
in which final Hgb or Hct are greater than 10 or greater than 30, may indicate
that you have given an extra unit of blood.
c. Michael Mathis (MPOG Research Director): Both can be true. We might not
want to exclude and place it in the hands of the person reviewing the measure
to decide if this case is acute hemorrhage and I just gave 2 units very quickly and
that was appropriate. Versus this was a case that transfusion was discretionary,
and I should not have perhaps administered the second unit.
d. Nirav Shah (MPOG Quality Director): As Quality Champions, it is important for us
to let providers know that the flag is just an opportunity for review, and we are